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Dubai Petrolheads legal issues
« on: August 26, 2007, 10:30:33 PM »

Ladies & Gents,
As you know Dubai Petrolheads is not a club of any description, it is merely a place for all of us bike, car and motor sport nuts in Dubai to MEET, Chat and Relay Information and notify of other external approved organisation or clubs events.

The UAE has strict laws on clubs and their need for official sanction, this is to regulate and protect any members of a club and meet the needs of Sharia law.

So Dubai Petrolheads will not and does not organise any events, as a club.  However individuals from this Forum may decide to organise a drive or ride-out under there own recognisance.  Any such meetings or events are to be regarded as a private event, with no implied or explicit support from Dubai Petrolheads.

If you should decide to meet up on a private event, then all liability for your and any 3rd parties safety is on yours and yours alone.  Dubai Petrolheads accepts no responsibility for any injuries or damage caused by anyone meeting up through this website.

Sorry if this sounds a bit draconian, however there have been issues of liability raised after incidents associated with other events organised in the UAE.  Above all else, stay safe out there.

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Dubai Petrolheads Admin.

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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2007, 10:38:39 PM »

Guy's and Gal's...

In light of the response to the cancellation of the next "Buddy rideout" event which was to take place in the coming weeks, I would like to clarify a couple of issues which may or may not be know to one and all regarding events such as this...

Whenever an event such as a the Buddy rideouts, there must be backing from a legal entity such as the EMSF...sports organisation or the like to keep above board and someone who is ultimately accountable should anything go wrong...

Unfortunately, Dubai Petrolheads does not have this authority, nor does any of it's members. If there happened to be an accident, incident or the like which involved a rider or third party being injured or worse, killed, someone would be held responsible, that is the law of the land out here...Like it or not, someone would have to stand up and be accountable for organising an event which was not sanctioned by a recognised, official body...

As sad as this is, people must realise that, no matter what kind of event you are arranging, be it an off-road event, road based event, for cars or bikes, there must be a legal body to sanction it and take on responsibility for the actions of the event...Unfortunately, the Dubai Petrolheads cannot and will not, and are in no position to sanction these kind of events and cannot be seen to be involved in organising official "rideouts" etc due to the legal implications as mentioned above.

Whilst we have people who are more than willing and capable of carrying out such events successfully, this does not make it legal or official. For all of you who participated in the first and last event of it's kind organised through the forum, I hope (and know) it was a success for all who took part. For the "lead" riders on this event...I know that you are more than capable in leading this type of even and that you are thanked from all who took part in the ride out...But, unfortunately, there will be no more rideouts organised through the Dubai Petrolheads Forum for the above reasons...

I hope you all understand the seriousness of this issue. I would also hope that whilst there are willing riders out there willing to lead such events, the rest of us would not wish them any redress should anything go awry on any such events.

Many thanks for your understanding on this issue and I would welcome any constructive comments you may like to add to this thread...

For and behalf of the Dubai Petrolheads...
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Re: Saturday Morning Buddy Rideout for Sportsbikers
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2007, 10:11:44 AM »

I completely agree with Biggles' and Northern Ferret's statements expressed - as they based these statements on my findings. It was I that found out about the legal aspects of organizing rideouts etc. here in the UAE., when I had a conversation with a very reliable source who had been involved in organizing an event where there was a very unfortunate fatal accident.

At the time I organised the Khaleej Times rideout & the Bikeweek rideout, I was totally unaware of the legal aspects. Had anyone been involved in a fatal incident, I (and most likely Biggles) would have certainly been incarcerated - even if the accident was no fault of Biggles or I.

It is illegal to organize events in the UAE if the organizing person/body is not sanctioned by the Government. Simple. No need for me to reiterate the points raised by Biggles and Northern Ferret.

However, there is nothing wrong with a bunch of mates going out for a rideout as this is not an 'event', it is merely a bunch of mates going out for a ride....
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Re: Saturday Morning Buddy Rideout for Sportsbikers
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2007, 12:29:41 PM »

All of the above information is correct. However - there may be a way to make sure all are protected. I will call you soon Adam to chat....
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Re: Saturday Morning Buddy Rideout for Sportsbikers
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2007, 12:32:36 PM »

This is getting oooh so boring  :puke:. Think we all got the message
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Re: Saturday Morning Buddy Rideout for Sportsbikers
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2007, 12:40:53 PM »

Ok.....then why don't we have the next rideout, anyway, and let it just be a bunch of mates riding out ! :yo:

 :clap_1: thank you....thankyou
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Re: Dubai Petrolheads legal waiver
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2007, 02:12:15 PM »

Topic merged to reduce duplication of subject
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Re: Dubai Petrolheads legal issues
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2007, 07:50:23 PM »

First of all we have to respect it, no discussion at all,

but imagine, what will happen than when accidentally (i mean it really) some riders meet each other and plan to go further together...... ???

more than one rider by hisself out there is an illegal event?

I am used to go all by myself and i hope i dont meet anybody out there in the desert.... (not even in a case of a breakdown) because if there is not one single person to make responsible for this "body ride" they gonna make any of the participants responsible for breaking the law ?!??....

So guys be careful.
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Re: Dubai Petrolheads legal issues
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2007, 02:23:39 PM »

Understanding this also from the AU perspective and after an email concerning other things but mentioned at the same time, I have emailed the Administration Moderator of my own website specific to Street Motards in Australia.
http://www.vsmr.net
We dont have a disclaimer as such attached to the front page or through the registration process at the moment.
We are just a bunch of like minded individuals sharing an information portal to a specific sport/motorcycle discipline, and accordingly are also only liable for the content we post onto open forum and it is all considered 'personal opinion' anyway in that context.
Whether we organise to meet and ride somewhere is not the responsibility of the Forum owner (me in this case) or any other individual that may post in a comment or attend.
Its an individual choice here and I accept that the law is dramatically different there,
I also conceed that our 'devil-may-care' attitude may have to change accordingly.
It been the case where a member of my forum, the 3rd to register in fact, was killed in a tradgic track day incident in Perth in 2005.
Nigel was the first rider to die in a Supermoto related accident certainly in AU and most probably the world so was quite an issue when it first happened and the sport was still growing in an already tentative insurance industry.
Still the outcome was the same'
'Death by misadventure -Motorcycle racing practice Incident'
He tucked the front and fell and was struck by another motorcycle in the pack in a first corner me-lee ..
Motorcycling and Motorsport in general is an inherently dangerous sport,
One would expect that common sense prevail (taking your law as an exception) and responsibility be aligned where due and if because of rider error/inexperience unfortunately so be it ..

RIP Nigel Dickin AKA Krumm ..
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Re: Dubai Petrolheads legal issues
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2007, 03:59:32 PM »

It always worries me that I am being unnecessarily paranoid, however as you say the laws are different here and their is ALWAYS the need to shift the blame to someone else.
However I remember a very famous case in aviation in the US, where a flying instructor failed a private pilot on his 'taildragger' (light aircraft with a tailwheel instead of the easier to fly nosewheel equipped)  rating, the said pilot went flying anyway and ground-looped his aircraft. 
He was seriously injured and successfully sued the instructor, the flying club, the aircraft manufacturer and the guy who wrote the book that got him interested in flying tail-draggers.  The reason he got away with it is no-one explicitly specified how dangerous it was compared with the nose-wheel aircraft in writing.  :wanka: :wanka: :wanka:
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Re: Dubai Petrolheads legal issues
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2008, 09:47:08 PM »

you guys have got me confused, can anyone tell me the part of the law that says you can't carry out a ride day.

eg. hey lets all go for a ride 2morrow start at X point and finish at X point.
People come in there own will, how can some one be held responsible if something goes wrong ?

taking into fact that everyone has a license, registered bike, the right gear etc (everything meeting the law standard).

just trying to under stand, after all looks like i will be living here just to be a little cautious.

thank you :smiley_banghead: :help:
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Re: Dubai Petrolheads legal issues
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2009, 03:52:12 PM »

im a newbie here, well not but havent posted a lot though. guys chill, i believe this isnt us of a.no body's gonna sue you if they spill coffee on their own lap and the complain it was hot.the rights in us are way way way stronger than you can imagine in uae  :dunno:
and you're doing good on your part, i remember while visiting san francisco, i saw a sign on the cliff edge "deep bottomless pit, you may injure your self incase you fall" and i was like wtf, who doesnt know that :dunno: guess people like to sue :smack:
but yeah nutcases do exist, neways thanks for the heads up.
stay safe
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Re: Dubai Petrolheads legal issues
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2009, 12:39:34 PM »

My missis is trying to organise me to go shopping and she wants me to drive us both to whatever mall she has decided has the most shoe shops.

Does all the above mean that I can tell her that what she is attempting to do is totally illegal, so that I can stay home and put me new pipes on me bike or watch rugger on telly??
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Re: Dubai Petrolheads legal issues
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2009, 02:11:32 PM »

sounds totally illegal to me, get hose pipes fitted
ask yourself, what would Ogri do?
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Re: Dubai Petrolheads legal issues
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2009, 03:29:18 PM »

Ogri, would

A. Deffo not fit hose pipes to his bike.
B. Tell Mitzi to go shopping on her todd or with Malcolm, but to bring him something cool back.
C. Go to the pub

Hmmmmm - im thinking C sounds pretty good!

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