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DAMC..... Never Ending
« on: February 06, 2012, 10:41:22 PM »

this post is not to SLANDER or be of any use in any sort of legal approach by any sort of an individual or cooperation or business it may be... 

so how many time have we all been disappointed and shocked with the DAMC organization and their great ideas of how to manage the grid, nevertheless the championship...

i fail to understand their thoughts of how to control the grid and how to yet promote the championship... think of it from an outsider point of view...

the promotion part i guess i will be repeating all of what has been said over and over again online... so they fail to advertise it and expect more racers to come in, and yet big teams to join, with zero exposure, and expect teams to do their marketing for them selves... still the same..

BUT....

the grid has shrunk in a ridiculous manner this season, compared to the season before... did anyone give it a thought... great teams have pulled out their cars!!!!!!!!!!! unbelievable all of this should be questioned, and answered to aid in growing the championship... a reason to prove that the race series has shrunk is the DAMC sending out an e mail to all competitors asking them to let them know how many people are signing up to join, and then combining both the TC and the GT's together...

this resulted in the farce at Yas the other week which saw the Ferrari 458 have to slice through a stack of Suzuki Swifts off the start line!!! guess we can only be thankful there weren't any accidents - i'd hate to be the driver of a swift who wipes out a 458 - monster bill time!

and now this weekend we have the stupid combination of touring cars joining the GT race - complete with mandatory fuel stops for the touring cars.... how safe is that going to be..? Clios with roasting discs sitting in the refuel area with teams who've never performed a hot refuel before... F1 stopped refuelling for a reason - and those are the top guys in the business

but then we also have the stupid minimum 5min pit stop - which makes for a 25min race, followed by a 30min race - ie, just like a regular touring car weekend... only this time there's fuel and roasting discs in combination. And that's before we even consider the state of the driver who's spending an hour in the cockpit of a car designed for sprint races, not enduros... Plus there's tyre issues too - with two separate races the teams can assess the condition of the tyres and replace if needed - this safety issue goes out of the window this weekend

Why can't the DAMC just face up to the fact that there's something fundamentally wrong with the GT series and just kill it. Last year we had 20+ cars on the grid, now we have 3 - what an absolute joke!

Teams pulled out for a reason - the championship is not worth the effort involved. yes, motorsport is never a cheap venture, but with both Porsche and Maserati running stacked grids of cars in their series, there's money out there...

plus, teams need to do more to promote themselves - in other markets, every car on the grid is supported by its own team who produce professional copy and images to supply to media.... yet here there are teenagers writing stories that aren't even spell-checked and pics taken by builders... no wonder sponsors don't want to get involved

Should i go on...
 
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2012, 09:12:37 AM »

The 458 at Yas started from the back at THEIR request. They are used to rolling starts and hence didn't want to cause an incident if they had a problem during the standing start. Sensible precaution if you ask me.

The cost factor of entering the races etc is a subject that will run and run......

The majority of the teams who run in the tour car championship have competed in many 24hr races (SVDP Racing, Dual Racing, NFS, LAP57 etc) and so they are fully familiar with refueling a car during the race. The same teams and cars cover upto 2 hours per stint in a 24hr race so the brakes and tyres are more capable of completing 1 hour of racing, or you fit harder brake pads.

The 5 minute pit stop time gives ample time to check tyre pressures and refuel (IF NEEDED) so there is no urgency to complete the tasks taking risks to save time.

Running for 1 hour in the middle of summer is one thing, but 1 hour at this time of the year the drivers will be fine (it is the poor team manger stood on the pit wall time keeping with no airflow who will suffer.....)

The pictures taken by Paul, Darren, Tim etc are of the highest levels (Tim and Darren are asked by Nissan, McLaren etc to take pictures at the UAE endurance racers / GT racers so somebody must be happy with their quality of work).

Sometimes race reports don't have to be all corporate, the human side is important.
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2012, 01:06:28 PM »

I have a good idea as to who 'timelinedubai' is but it matters not to me who the statement is from, more what is being said....

Ian, thank you for the kudos regarding the images, there are a few out there who do care about the quality of the press releases and the images which are sent out also...Yes, it's a fact most images come from Paul Velasco or myself for the DAMC race series and are available for free download from the Autodrome web site... :lamer:

There are also a few riders/drivers/teams which send out race reports on a regular basis (Ian leads the way there) for the various local media outlets such as Track Talk, Circuit Pro Digital & Crank & Piston to name but a few, the newspapers have them sent out to them also and chose to run them if they like but no guarantees.... :dunno:

Personally, I got fed up of asking for stories which we could run to try to promote the racing, the drivers and riders alike, now, if we get them sent, we will run them after 'spell checking' them and adding images from my own image bank......I also know C&P do the same.....And this is all for free  :broke:

In regards to the racing, the dwindling grids are not down to the Autodrome not marketing the racing well enough...A good example of this was the last Aussie V8 event at Yas Marina where it was advertised, promoted, marketed in every way possible, even regular slots on the radio....How many people walked through the gates to see what to me is some of the best and closest racing on track at this present time....Very few....So even if you offer the best race series in the world on a free of cost basis, this will not guarantee bums on seats.....

Some of the top GT racers and teams packing it all cannot also be blamed on the AD...There are other more private issues which stopped them appearing on the grids again this season, also eligibility of cars and classes played a part. Costs are another major reason why people are no longer out there racing. It is an expensive hobby and people no longer have the same disposable incomes to run such teams/cars etc and therefore chose not to race, other due to business commitments....These are facts, not made up by me to add fuel to any one particular argument....I do believe that Peugeot recently pulled the pin on their race plans at the last minute, I don't think it was anything to do with non-promotion of the LM series....I'm sure it was a financial decision....

I also think that to call the recent Yas event a 'farce' is also unfair and very narrow minded, after talking to a lot of the drivers after that race, the majority thoroughly enjoyed the racing and the on track battles. The fact that the Ferrari had to come from the back of the grid is irrelevant, this happens all over the world when cars or bike for whatever reason have to start from the pit lane....The racing was very clean and with no major accidents, not by luck...By good driving ! As Ian mentions, during the recent 24 hr race, there were over 70 cars on grid, Merc SLS monsters down to Clios and diesel cars, we witnessed some of the best, closest driving ever seen on that track and once again, no major accidents which involved a slower car taking out a faster car.....

The Porsche and Maserati series cannot be fair comparison, these are totally different in the way they are promoted, organised, backed and run....Still, for the most of last season and once again this season, the Porsche grids are under 15 cars and that is with the weight of such a great name prepping and running the cars in Walter Lechner...Also the same with the Maserati series, small grids of 11 or 12 cars.....

Every person is responsible for the promotion of the racing out here. The concept of circuit racing is still in it's infancy and needs to grow. It does not have such a rich history as in other countries and therefore it will take years to build. How much international racing will we see in the region next season? very little, even Yas Marina has now pretty much closed it's doors on the hight level stuff and will host only the F1 & support races...The highlight will once again be the Dubai 24hr race which is by far the best of them all and, its free....

Most people would love to see instant success and full grids in each class for every race day, that would be great and there are people trying to achieve this in whatever way possible....but the reality is, this is 'club racing' with tinsel on top.....the tinsel came from the drivers/riders/teams not by the request of the organizers, they merely acted on those requests.....

I am not supporting one or the other here, I have no need to, my racing days are long since over and now I am in a position to sit back and watch others go through what I went through when I was racing many moons ago.....Do I care, of course I do, I am a motorsports fan and want to have the option of seeing live races on a weekend....I just think that there are those (not all) who need to get off their soap boxes and maybe come up with constructive criticism on how to help racing develop in the region instead of repeating what has been said season after season.........

Over to you......... :coffee:
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2012, 02:36:51 PM »

Quoting MR Ferret

"I am not supporting one or the other here, I have no need to, my racing days are long since over and now I am in a position to sit back and watch others go through what I went through when I was racing many moons ago.....Do I care, of course I do, I am a motorsports fan and want to have the option of seeing live races on a weekend....I just think that there are those (not all) who need to get off their soap boxes and maybe come up with constructive criticism on how to help racing develop in the region instead of repeating what has been said season after season........."

Yep I believe we have had the same conversation thread since 2006, easy to be critical, much harder to fix, we know and we have tried, for many years.

We are all passionate about this sport, but it is as the furry one said, it is basically club level racing, and those who can afford to do so, do, and those who can't afford to do so, talk about it, or take photos of it
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 02:45:28 PM »

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Maybe it is same same "Heavyweight".
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2012, 03:05:46 PM »

I have a good idea as to who 'timelinedubai' is but it matters not to me who the statement is from, more what is being said....

Ian, thank you for the kudos regarding the images, there are a few out there who do care about the quality of the press releases and the images which are sent out also...Yes, it's a fact most images come from Paul Velasco or myself for the DAMC race series and are available for free download from the Autodrome web site... :lamer:

There are also a few riders/drivers/teams which send out race reports on a regular basis (Ian leads the way there) for the various local media outlets such as Track Talk, Circuit Pro Digital & Crank & Piston to name but a few, the newspapers have them sent out to them also and chose to run them if they like but no guarantees.... :dunno:

Personally, I got fed up of asking for stories which we could run to try to promote the racing, the drivers and riders alike, now, if we get them sent, we will run them after 'spell checking' them and adding images from my own image bank......I also know C&P do the same.....And this is all for free  :broke:

In regards to the racing, the dwindling grids are not down to the Autodrome not marketing the racing well enough...A good example of this was the last Aussie V8 event at Yas Marina where it was advertised, promoted, marketed in every way possible, even regular slots on the radio....How many people walked through the gates to see what to me is some of the best and closest racing on track at this present time....Very few....So even if you offer the best race series in the world on a free of cost basis, this will not guarantee bums on seats.....

Some of the top GT racers and teams packing it all cannot also be blamed on the AD...There are other more private issues which stopped them appearing on the grids again this season, also eligibility of cars and classes played a part. Costs are another major reason why people are no longer out there racing. It is an expensive hobby and people no longer have the same disposable incomes to run such teams/cars etc and therefore chose not to race, other due to business commitments....These are facts, not made up by me to add fuel to any one particular argument....I do believe that Peugeot recently pulled the pin on their race plans at the last minute, I don't think it was anything to do with non-promotion of the LM series....I'm sure it was a financial decision....

I also think that to call the recent Yas event a 'farce' is also unfair and very narrow minded, after talking to a lot of the drivers after that race, the majority thoroughly enjoyed the racing and the on track battles. The fact that the Ferrari had to come from the back of the grid is irrelevant, this happens all over the world when cars or bike for whatever reason have to start from the pit lane....The racing was very clean and with no major accidents, not by luck...By good driving ! As Ian mentions, during the recent 24 hr race, there were over 70 cars on grid, Merc SLS monsters down to Clios and diesel cars, we witnessed some of the best, closest driving ever seen on that track and once again, no major accidents which involved a slower car taking out a faster car.....

The Porsche and Maserati series cannot be fair comparison, these are totally different in the way they are promoted, organised, backed and run....Still, for the most of last season and once again this season, the Porsche grids are under 15 cars and that is with the weight of such a great name prepping and running the cars in Walter Lechner...Also the same with the Maserati series, small grids of 11 or 12 cars.....

Every person is responsible for the promotion of the racing out here. The concept of circuit racing is still in it's infancy and needs to grow. It does not have such a rich history as in other countries and therefore it will take years to build. How much international racing will we see in the region next season? very little, even Yas Marina has now pretty much closed it's doors on the hight level stuff and will host only the F1 & support races...The highlight will once again be the Dubai 24hr race which is by far the best of them all and, its free....

Most people would love to see instant success and full grids in each class for every race day, that would be great and there are people trying to achieve this in whatever way possible....but the reality is, this is 'club racing' with tinsel on top.....the tinsel came from the drivers/riders/teams not by the request of the organizers, they merely acted on those requests.....

I am not supporting one or the other here, I have no need to, my racing days are long since over and now I am in a position to sit back and watch others go through what I went through when I was racing many moons ago.....Do I care, of course I do, I am a motorsports fan and want to have the option of seeing live races on a weekend....I just think that there are those (not all) who need to get off their soap boxes and maybe come up with constructive criticism on how to help racing develop in the region instead of repeating what has been said season after season.........

Over to you......... :coffee:

Quite well written for a builder....
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 04:32:56 PM »



Quite well written for a builder....



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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 09:25:26 PM »

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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2012, 06:04:09 AM »

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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 08:50:24 AM »

Tim,

What assorted lenses etc. do you have..? What prices for the body and lenses..?
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2012, 09:55:20 AM »

Sorry DD, I was joking.

Reference the "yet here there are teenagers writing stories that aren't even spell-checked and pics taken by builders... no wonder sponsors don't want to get involved" comment in the first post.

Although if I make a couple of purchases I'm planning later this year, insha'llah, there will be some nice photo toys for sale this summer.

Apologies for the thread diverson timeline...

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2012, 03:19:42 PM »

in addition to the lack of promotion, i think transport is also a big issue.

for a lot of low paid workers, the cost of getting from, say, sharjah to the autodrome is prohibitive. yas island? forget it. these are the easy wins in terms of audience, those who have probably never seen such a thing as a motor race and whose typical day out is the park or the mall. they are also the most inquisitive, every time i get a taxi to the 'drome the driver can't believe it when he sees the track and then the questions come. they also can't belive it's free to watch yet they don;t even know it exists!

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2012, 07:07:03 PM »

Mr timeplinedubai,
Its all well and good " Blaming" DAMC.  I think you need to look at the spare cash people have to be able to race this year.  Take today for example DAMC offered to put the TC out with the GT, this is to get a bigger field and give people more seat time, TC attendance
1 Honda
1 BMW
3 Clio
Thats Pi...sss poor.  People had shown a real interest with a minimum of 12 people saying great lets do it.  Yas how ever decides to run the hot lap races on the same day.  what great sportsmanship.  I think you need to sit back and look around you before you start writing such long BS
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2012, 05:17:40 PM »

7 cars on the start grid for the Gt race incl 3 clios and a Honda - thats really piss poor.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2012, 06:38:24 PM »

What a great experience the 1hr mini-enduro was... Everyone who raced in that were real racers  :clap_1:

We need more cars on the grid and slagging off DA is not the way to achieve it.

Fair play to everyone who is positive on this forum (Ian and Ferret - case and point! Spencer willing to give whatever parts are required to get 'a competitors car going!' even when his isn't! Where do you find people like that?) Lap57 tirelessly trying to get things going when electrical gremlins cripple performance... Richard Birch even took the time to pass by and see how things were going and then congratulated us afterwards. Dual Racing pushing pushin... and a big smile after a close race... Thats nice really and thats what its all about.

What you will find is that all of teh above are the guys at the track helping out and having a laugh and making the place a positive place to be.

Less talk more action as these guys do.... is what is required....
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