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Ian

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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2012, 08:13:40 PM »

On a slight side note, what a race this afternoon. There was never more than 5 seconds between Jonathan (desertevo) and Ramzi Moutran in 1 hour of racing. The pressure both drivers must have been under not to make a mistake, well done to the both of them.

To give a more accurate perspective, Jonathans lap time varried by 1 second over one hour (Ramzi's count have been any different), talk about consistency.

Lap 57 did a brilliant job in find the fault and fixing it, their smiles were almost as big as Jonathans (and Theo's and mine).

There should be more of these 1 hour endurance races as it brings tyre and brake management into play. Oh Jonathan had to refuel in during the pit stop, so having a small fuel tank doesn't hinder you.

The Autodrome seemed to enjoy the race as well.
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2012, 11:38:41 AM »

Now we just need to start doing endurance on bikes.....

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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2012, 11:06:59 AM »

Well done to all of the competitors, there was some very good racing despite the small fields in the GT's and Suzuki's, and bigger grids in the Bikes and Radicals.   :clap_1: :clap_1:

To carry on with the original topic, small grids for the car classes are not just affecting us here in the UAE, the BIC 2000CC challenge at the National Racing Festival in Bahrain on the weekend had a field of about 8 cars, and once again it was very good quality racing, despite the small grid size.  :fing34: :fing34:

Grid sizes back in Oz have also diminished, so its not a local phenomenon by any means, and there is a lot of work going behind the scenes to try and get the car count up, but it is a hobby for 95% of the racers, not their livelihood, and once pay levels get frozen and bonuses cease to exist, the expensive hobbies are the first to suffer.  :bawling: :bawling:

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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2012, 12:56:10 PM »

it is a hobby for 95% of the racers, not their livelihood, and once pay levels get frozen and bonuses cease to exist, the expensive hobbies are the first to suffer. 

do you think there's opportunity for low cost series or TC class? i'm thinking 750MC stock hatches and the like in the UK.

http://www.750mc.co.uk/F-stock-hatch.php
http://www.750mc.co.uk/F-mr2.php

pitched between trackday and racing costs, i reckon this would be very popular.
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2012, 04:25:18 PM »

Spencer already has a car 'class compliant' so i'm sure he would be game  :laff:
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2012, 08:03:05 PM »

The mighty mini would be great  :yo: :yo: :yo: :yo:
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2012, 08:16:14 PM »

The DAMC should look into running something like the CRC National Sprint series that BIC run.

Basically, a timed track day that runs on the days alongside racing. With all the marshals, ATC officials etc already at the track it's a great way to maximise the track being used and gets a host of other people out on track/down at the BIC.
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2012, 08:51:21 PM »

I might actually run Cobalt Blue in one of those formats, if it ever goes ahead (and once she gets rebuilt)...

I have fond memories of autocross and the Red Line Challenge.
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2012, 11:54:29 AM »

it is a hobby for 95% of the racers, not their livelihood, and once pay levels get frozen and bonuses cease to exist, the expensive hobbies are the first to suffer. 

do you think there's opportunity for low cost series or TC class? i'm thinking 750MC stock hatches and the like in the UK.

http://www.750mc.co.uk/F-stock-hatch.php
http://www.750mc.co.uk/F-mr2.php

pitched between trackday and racing costs, i reckon this would be very popular.

Still to specific, need rules something more along the lines of...

Upto 2 litre Normally aspirated engines, anything else goes.....
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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2012, 06:33:48 PM »

this post is not to SLANDER or be of any use in any sort of legal approach by any sort of an individual or cooperation or business it may be... 

so how many time have we all been disappointed and shocked with the DAMC organization and their great ideas of how to manage the grid, nevertheless the championship...

i fail to understand their thoughts of how to control the grid and how to yet promote the championship... think of it from an outsider point of view...

the promotion part i guess i will be repeating all of what has been said over and over again online... so they fail to advertise it and expect more racers to come in, and yet big teams to join, with zero exposure, and expect teams to do their marketing for them selves... still the same..

BUT....

the grid has shrunk in a ridiculous manner this season, compared to the season before... did anyone give it a thought... great teams have pulled out their cars!!!!!!!!!!! unbelievable all of this should be questioned, and answered to aid in growing the championship... a reason to prove that the race series has shrunk is the DAMC sending out an e mail to all competitors asking them to let them know how many people are signing up to join, and then combining both the TC and the GT's together...

this resulted in the farce at Yas the other week which saw the Ferrari 458 have to slice through a stack of Suzuki Swifts off the start line!!! guess we can only be thankful there weren't any accidents - i'd hate to be the driver of a swift who wipes out a 458 - monster bill time!

and now this weekend we have the stupid combination of touring cars joining the GT race - complete with mandatory fuel stops for the touring cars.... how safe is that going to be..? Clios with roasting discs sitting in the refuel area with teams who've never performed a hot refuel before... F1 stopped refuelling for a reason - and those are the top guys in the business

but then we also have the stupid minimum 5min pit stop - which makes for a 25min race, followed by a 30min race - ie, just like a regular touring car weekend... only this time there's fuel and roasting discs in combination. And that's before we even consider the state of the driver who's spending an hour in the cockpit of a car designed for sprint races, not enduros... Plus there's tyre issues too - with two separate races the teams can assess the condition of the tyres and replace if needed - this safety issue goes out of the window this weekend

Why can't the DAMC just face up to the fact that there's something fundamentally wrong with the GT series and just kill it. Last year we had 20+ cars on the grid, now we have 3 - what an absolute joke!

Teams pulled out for a reason - the championship is not worth the effort involved. yes, motorsport is never a cheap venture, but with both Porsche and Maserati running stacked grids of cars in their series, there's money out there...

plus, teams need to do more to promote themselves - in other markets, every car on the grid is supported by its own team who produce professional copy and images to supply to media.... yet here there are teenagers writing stories that aren't even spell-checked and pics taken by builders... no wonder sponsors don't want to get involved

Should i go on...

I was going to write a response from my perspective addressing the points raised in your overweight post, but in the same way as the some members of Greek public are burning Government Buildings to protest against the austerity measures resulting from a lack of money, your post offers nothing positive and constructive to help the situation, but is simply a slap in the face of those people who are working hard to bring us some racing. On that basis I see no merit in a detailed response from anyone.

BUT in response to your question at the end "Should I go on..." from my point of view, NO PLEASE DON'T


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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2012, 09:15:32 AM »

OK here is my tuppence worth.

The problem is it's complicated, both the AD and the ATC want to do the best they can, do you really think they don't want the best for motorsport here, of course they do.  However nothing is ever as simple as it seems to the end user, or would be competitors in this case.  This is not Europe, the USA or Aus/NZ, where people accept Autosport is dangerous and when you step in the ring, you accept some risk and take some responsibility for your own safety.

Many of the decisions are forced on them by a very active BLAME culture, that if something go's wrong (and it has tragically) then someone has to be to BLAME.  So the regulatory bodies and motorsport organisations end up having to over regulate everything to the extremis, to the point that we require the highest possible International safety standards to go club racing.

I would argue that they would like to be a lot more practical, but the high standards are not only forced on them, but they also have to cover their collective a*ses, otherwise they will be blamed and even potentially shut down, especially if the next big incident happens to the wrong nationality.

While I can come up with all kinds of suggestions, the reality is there is no simple solutions to complex problems.  That does not mean we should not try and engage the various bodies to try and negotiate a way of getting bigger grids, more stability and lower costs. But we have to understand they the AD and ATC have their hands tied as well, often by people who have no understanding of motorsport.
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2012, 09:05:00 AM »

Biggles

Pertly agree with you and would add that some of those involved in the organizing or decision making process have no understanding of motor sport.

I have left the DAMC series for a number of reasons and, as much as i appreciate their efforts to setup and run championships, i bitterly disagree with many of their decisions that affected the sport and its development.

Many comments, requests and complaints have been passed onto the race organizers over the years, yet we've seen little improvement. They seem to be knowing what's best and we can all see the results today.

I miss racing badly, it really hurts me seeing a race event run without me on the grid, but i surely will not be back until there are some drastic changes in the way the championships are organized, and this includes rules & regulations, safety, costs of racing and the freaking "spirit of the competition" or whatever they used to call it back in the days.

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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2012, 07:03:20 AM »

As a spectator I feel alot of the issues of racing of years past and current is simply due to a lack of individual funding - where's House of Portier?   They were a full funded team with considerable success and vanished.   Its expensive period and even the one make series that are offering full race support are suffering.   Its a shame as we'd all like to see full grids but as people have left the UAE and the economy is slow to improve we won't see more racers until things do improve.   With more racers and teams that will then lead to increased changes in the organization of racing as that will be the pressure needed.

Slowly but surely racing in the UAE will get better...

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2012, 08:18:15 AM »

Well Said :fing34: :clap_1: :clap_1: :clap_1: :clap_1: :clap_1:
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Re: DAMC..... Never Ending
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2012, 09:04:58 AM »

Jet Pilot

A view from the fence is just "slightly" different from the view from the cockpit.  ;)

Money does buy you a race car, entry fees and tyres, but money has nothing to do with the way events are structured, organised, run and sanctioned.

The problem here is much deeper and of a different nature. Some radical changes are required before those who left decide to return and before new racers join.




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