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Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« on: September 22, 2011, 04:05:35 PM »
I really hope that DAMC will keep an eye on all of the vital parameters pertaining to participating race cars and apply them evenly across the board.

In my humble opinion several cars were running higher than allowed horsepower at given points during last season, but since the only required proof was a dyno sheet, some took advantage of this (something that i personally find disgusting!). Looking forward to seeing this being watched closely by DAMC, since some of us are in this championship to win at any cost, not to race.

I have issues with double standards too, as witnessed last season:
- I was not allowed to race in R1 due to an alleged flaw in my roll cage whilst a fellow competitor sporting a street roll cage was granted the entry and asked to fix a proper cage for the following race. How the f**k is this possible?????
- A car that was found underweight was not penalised, although the rules are apparently very clear and strict
- A car running with a fire extinguisher that wasn't even plumbed in was allowed to race (i borrowed him my extinguisher!)

And the list goes on, i could continue my rant, yet i feel there's not much point, but at least i am venting some.
I made it a point NOT to complain to the powers to be for my own reasons and based on previous experience.

I only hope we can have a clean, fair and exciting championship. I should be there once i convince myself to break some of my principles, put a board saying SUCKER on my back and go buy some tyres from the offical tyre supplier.
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2011, 04:51:34 PM »
There is an old saying  ..."People respect what you inspect" so when cars are equalised by the regulations in the interests of fair and exciting racing then it's a nonsense not to enforce.

I note that in Class 1 the Seat Supercopas were limited on power in the interests of close/fair racing yet the fitment of sequential gearbox is apparently acceptable  :dunno: ??? Suddenly the whole thing becomes a bit pointless doesn't it?

 
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2011, 05:36:07 PM »
Well, under the "spirit of the championship" and the intention of keeping the costs down sequential boxes were not allowed as retrofitted a while ago, only to be suddenly allowed with no apparent reason or explanation? Mistake? Incompetence? Carelessness? Doesn't really matter but the bitter taste remains...
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 05:53:43 PM »
Surely there should be a nominated dyno that the touring cars should be tested on (as per the regs) before race day 1, not any old dyno?
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 06:08:54 PM »
Nomination in itself does not solve the problem, especially if the run is done before the season and never again. There's also plenty of room for playing. Those planning creative hp reporting better avoid me :)
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2011, 08:09:08 PM »
i guess this topics is for hondas as clio engines are standard also the sequential is mechanical
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 08:53:14 PM »
That's correct Sekudi, Clios come from the factory blessed with some cool goodies and from this year they don't even need the fuel cell.

Shame if someone was forced to buy one last year, coz' the cars never changed. One of the many mysteries surrounding the technical side of our championships....
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 10:22:58 PM »
Quote from: sekudi on September 22, 2011, 08:09:08 PM
i guess this topics is for hondas as clio engines are standard also the sequential is mechanical

Nope, whp of the Seats has been discussed before as "spike" levels have been recorded over 260 whp.
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 10:40:14 PM »
Quote from: zhonda on September 22, 2011, 08:53:14 PM

Shame if someone was forced to buy one last year, coz' the cars never changed. One of the many mysteries surrounding the technical side of our championships....
Yup I'm delighted that I spent a fortune on fuel cells last year only to have that (knee jerk reaction) regulation removed for this season.
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2011, 05:17:17 AM »
Quote from: zhonda on September 22, 2011, 08:53:14 PM
That's correct Sekudi, Clios come from the factory blessed with some cool goodies and from this year they don't even need the fuel cell.

Shame if someone was forced to buy one last year, coz' the cars never changed. One of the many mysteries surrounding the technical side of our championships....

Zlatco on the fuell cell you are correct. I bought mine only to use it for 4 race weekends and that was it. But still I dont regret it and even though I have the choice to fit back the standart I dont because I think it gives me more safety.... Just for the piece of my mind.... Still I moan for the money I spent on that but ce est la vie....  ;)

Just a question,,, If you knew that you were going to spent all this money on your HONDA, you would still prepare a car like that or you should have gone for a used clio cup 197... ?
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2011, 08:58:55 AM »
Lots of moaning pre season, whilst i am always up for highlighting what I consider wrong doing, i don't see that you can blame the regulations for people running cars with too much power.

The rules clearly allow for teams to protest a car they believe over the power limits or outside of the regulations, if you don't lodge a protest, you don't get to complain, it's that simple. If you believe a car is over power/ underweight/ or anything else, lodge a protest immediately after the race, whilst the car is still in Parc Ferme and it will be held by the organisers and checked for compliance; the rules are interpreted such that the organisers will only act on receipt of a protest, if they don't receive one they will not look into it, right or wrong we all know that so we have a choice. Saying you think cars were illegal but you didn't protest is pointless, you have two realistic choices in this situation man up and protest or keep quiet.

As to the regulation changes, I am with Hannibal, I would rather have the fuel cell for my own safety, the argument has been made and accepted that some cup cars and other factory race cars already comply with FIA regulations with their factory tanks, unfortunate for those that bought cells before the rule change if they feel comfortable with the factory cell, but we have all seen race cars go up in flames and it seems sensible to have fuel cells for all road conversions; must be better to err on the side of safety than have another driver get hurt or worse.
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2011, 09:35:42 AM »
Zlatco wind your neck in. Yes I was under weight buy 2 kg after one race this was due to fuel usage on a longer circuit  a mistake by me which I owned upto and got dragged in frount of the fia. I agree with you re the roll cage and fire systems as that comes down to safety. Re power levels there was some talk that your camp was playing with maps and higher whp. I was the only one last season to get dragged to the rolling road as " someone" complained that my car was too quick. My car was locked up for a week until the dyne run guess what 192 whp 18 whp under.  What you have failed to mention is the new weight regulations for this season. I have got to Ballest my car 60 kg prior to race 1. 
Let's all just race and enjoy if you or others have issues with that hang up your gloves and go into politics and leave the racing to those who want to race and have fun. I'd recommend you take your thought to the AD I did and things changed slightly  :angryfire:
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2011, 10:50:51 AM »
Spencer, i was not referring to people but cases and instances. I do not mind you getting your points, my issue is DOUBLE STANDARDS or the even application of rules.

All i want is to enjoy racing, but there are always bits that get in the way of enjoyment. Since we're such a small community and far from running a world championship or similar, it would be nice to see everyone complying and none trying to cheat their way to podium.

It's called gentlemen's racing for a reason, not crooks racing or else  ;)
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 01:00:13 PM »
Here here :-*
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Re: Scrutineering, monitoring and double standards
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2011, 04:28:18 PM »
Zlatco on the fuell cell you are correct. I bought mine only to use it for 4 race weekends and that was it. But still I dont regret it and even though I have the choice to fit back the standart I dont because I think it gives me more safety.... Just for the piece of my mind.... Still I moan for the money I spent on that but ce est la vie.... 

I agree that fuel cell is a safety plus if you bought one, the only part that survived the crash and fire of my car this season is the fuel cell  :bugerit:
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